Proposed Miracles So Far

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Posted by Shirlee | Posted in Discussion | Posted on 20-01-2010

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These are the commenter-proposed “miracles” so far. Do any stand out? Do you have a better idea? Please share your suggestions!

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First, WK restated our goals and criteria beautifully. Let’s review:

I think a miraculous display might be best, like god preventing the sun from setting for one night such as he did in joshua 10, but I understand how people can equate praying for a spectacle like that, to satan tempting jesus in matthew 4:1-11, and besides, he stopped doing those types of flashy miracles like a band that wants to forget they ever wrote their one hit song, so I doubt that a bunch of people requesting it will make him do it.

I also understand that you probably want to heal a public figure; someone reasonably well known to the average person.

First off, we should agree to exclude from our consideration anyone with an illness that although it rarely happens, can go away on its own, like cancer or leukemia.

Secondly, we should agree on what would constitute a miracle. If say, a person in a vegetative state with irreparable brain damage makes what appears to be deliberate actions, that’s not a miracle. A true miracle of course would be if the person permanently regained full consciousness without any cognitive problems, but I, and many others would accept at the very least, the subject being able to correctly answer 40 very simple yes/no questions by voice, squeezing, blinking, groaning, any sort of signal, given by an objective observer such as a doctor or nurse, with video evidence.

I’d like to add that the subject of the prayer should be willing to be prayed for, if the subject is an individual.

And now, the suggestions!
ds mama offers an idea:

What about the miracle of having each baby/child in every NICU/PICU across the country be perfectly healed of whatever illness or trauma they are suffering on the day of prayer?

It’s a wonderful idea, dsmama, and very compassionate. One problem: There is no single point/person for people to focus upon. It’s far too general and vague, and doesn’t involve someone people “know of”.

Harry Wortz (hopefully, not his real name . . .) suggests:

I pray that America wakes up before, Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, Jackson, Sharpton and Maddow turn our once great country into a true Idiocracy.

Interesting selection of lefties and righties. How would the “waking up” be measured and proven to be the work of God? (I agree that it would be a miracle!)

Matt Stafford, a Detroit Lions fan, says:

I’d like God to give me an offensive line. That’d be a miracle.

Indeed it would. But couldn’t nonbelievers dismiss that as the work of a skilled drafting of players or a better coach?

Greg Laden provides a truly tempting idea:

I would like to pray that PZ Myers, the Internet Atheist, becomes a True Believing Christian. Will everyone join me in this prayer?

I honestly love this idea. Imagine the good it would do the world if such an outspoken atheist came to Jesus! But how would we know his conversion was sincere?

Can someone suggest a way to figure that out?

Rich Wilson presents some logic on that subject:

So either the atheist is converted, and can’t lie about it, or the atheist is not converted, in which case lying and saying they were converted would serve no purpose.

Trouble is, lying and saying he was converted would serve the purpose of making God look foolish. God does not like to be made to look foolish; that’s why many countries have blasphemy laws, to protect Him from such things.

WK had a number of suggestions:

Professor Stephen Hawkings: Yes, he is an unbeliever, so he has that going against him, but he has an irreversible degenerative disease, and if cured he himself being an intelligent rational person would have to recognize the existence of an intercessory god. What better way for god to convert the scientifically minded than to heal one of their own? Proof of a miracle would be significant reversal of degeneration like renewed access of body functions, or being able to speak, not just a decrease in degeneration.

David Ring: He’s not exactly a celebrity but mister Ring is a christian preacher with cerebral palsy. If god would heal a very devout christian man of CP, it would surely convince many. Proof of miracle would be if his speech and motor skills improved to at least the average range.

Michael J Fox: He has been seen by many christians as an enemy of god for rallying for stem cell research, but if he was cured of Parkinson’s, he’d have to accept the belief that stem cell research is toying with the work of god. Proof of miracle would be a reversal in degeneration and occurrence of tremors.

Muhammad Ali: Healing a famous muslim might send out a message that allah is a false god, but others may get the idea that allah is indeed the same as god. It may [not] help christian islam relations a great deal, or convert many muslims but either way, it would convince those who don’t believe in god whatsoever. Proof of miracle would be the same as for Michael J Fox.

Random Atheist:

I would like to see God heal amputees.

Got one in mind?

Jim says:

I would love to [see] Charles Krauthammer healed. For Jesus to heal a man like him and let him walk would help this world in so many ways. Perhaps it is selfish of me to want this, but maybe then he would accept Jesus and also do more of his good work.

Erik suggests:

If god exists have him strike me down with lightning.

Suggesting this could be seen as inciting to violence, Erik. I don’t think I can do that legally.

Grimmlock's God Detector

Finally, Grimmlock suggests:

pray that God moves my “Yo! God” God detector.

Now, that’s just being silly.

Got any favorites? Better ideas? Let’s hear them!

Did I miss any? Point them out!

Comments (5)

I get it.

How about Larry Flint getting out of his wheelchair?

Interesting idea . . . Not quite as compelling as PZ Myers converting, but not bad. It’s more “confirmable”, for sure!

God does not like to be made to look foolish; that’s why many countries have blasphemy laws, to protect Him from such things.

God needs protection from humans ?

So either the atheist is converted, and can’t lie about it

Why couldn’t he lie ? Because he’s a Christian ? Christians never lie ? It may be a sin but it doesn’t mean it does not happen…

Shirlee and I would probably disagree on this; she’s a bit more of a Biblical literalist than I am.

I think it’s possible for Christians to sin. She cites Scripture saying that those who have Christ are without sin, and if they have sin, they must not have Christ.

So, in her view, no, a Christian can’t lie. Which means Pat Robertson ain’t no Christian, because we all know he can’t leg-press 2000 pounds.

That said, I’d like to see PZ Myers converted. He has all these mindless little poodles desperate to lap up his latest “random biological ejaculation” . . . if he were saying he has learned God is real, that could mean literally DOZENS of souls saved in a matter of days!

You’re calling PZ Myer’s follwers ‘mindless poodles’ desperate to lap up his every word, but the fact remains that evolution makes more actual SENSE. The key lies in the timespan. It takes millions and millions of years for life to develop, and in fact the ‘biological ejaculation’ that you refer to is anything BUT random. The mutations are random, but the actual motion of evolution is neither divinely inspired NOR purely chance. Evolution allows for a completely natural (as opposed to the supernatural explanation of God) explanation for the complexity of living organisms; to paraphrase Richard Dawkins, intelligent design involves jumping to the top of the cliff, while evolution goes around to the back and takes the longer but less steep path.

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