Posted by Shirlee | Posted in Discussion | Posted on 20-01-2010
Visitors:
I’m asking for your help.
As is noted in the FAQ, we’ve found that attempting to gather prayers for young Mr. Palin has accomplished little beyond gathering a collection of people who hate the Lord.
So, we’ve changed the name of the site to Pray4Healing.com.
This world needs a miracle, folks. Like no time in its history. The economy of nearly every nation is a disaster. Diseases run rampant. People are miserable, and turning from God every day.
Some turn to witchcraft, others to hedonism, still others to cults or the worship of “science”.
Yes, the world needs a miracle.
But it must not be a human-caused “miracle”. For example, “Pray that a million people donate $15 to Haiti relief today.” That’s a measurable and provable event, for sure . . . and a wonderful thing to occur! But it’s not a miracle; it’s people making a conscious, generous, and loving choice.
For God to force people to do such a thing would violate their free will.
The miracle must be something which can turn the hardest-hearted atheist to the Lord, helping bring us as a nation and as a planet back to He who made us.
It has to be something only God can do.
The idea we started out with met those criteria, but it only caused hatred and discontent. We played straight into Satan’s hands, and probably turned more people from the Lord.
Can you suggest something that will bring about a unified prayerful response? Something that even God-mockers will agree is a worthy cause for everyone to support?
Suggest away, we’re all ears!
I would love to Charles Krauthammer healed. For Jesus to heal a man like him and let him walk would help this world in so many ways. Perhaps it is selfish of me to want this, but maybe then he would accept Jesus and also do more of his good work.
Can’t you pray for e.g. Rush Limbaugh instead? Or for Sarah Palin? They are the diseased ones.
Yours,
Bork.
“Pray that a million people donate $15 to Haiti relief today.”
this is what really grinds me. why not just pay your $15 and go out and campaign for others to do the same? why waste your time, not to mention the people of Haiti’s time, praying about?
I can pray for a cup of coffee but it’s more useful to go and make one.
If God has made no move overt or widely-known enough to change the minds of all the haters for two thousand years, why would he do so now?
I would like to see God heal amputees.
I’d like God to give me an offensive line. That’d be a miracle.
Shirley,
I want to thank you for picking a new topic. What about the miracle of having each baby/child in every NICU/PICU across the country be perfectly healed of whatever illness or trauma they are suffering on the day of prayer? Cancer, meningitis, blood diseases, MRSA, brain trauma, congenital heart defects, coma…. all of it… gone in an instant. On that day, each of those kids goes home alive and well. What do you say?
I pray that America wakes up before, Beck, Limbaugh, Palin, Jackson, Sharpton and Maddow turn our once great country into a true Idiocracy.
I would like to pray that PZ Myers, the Internet Atheist, becomes a True Believing Christian. Will everyone join me in this prayer?
In particular, I suggest this from Romans 5:
” Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! For if, when we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! Not only is this so, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.”
Hmm, I like it . . . I REALLY like it . . . but how would it be measurable?
He’s an atheist. Since he is without God, he can have no morals; therefore, he’d be perfectly happy to lie if it would make God look foolish, wouldn’t he?
Assuming atheists don’t have morales, wouldn’t part of the conversion be becoming moral? That is, a converted atheist could not lie, right?
So either the atheist is converted, and can’t lie about it, or the atheist is not converted, in which case lying and saying they were converted would serve no purpose.
Hey guys it, worked! I have seen the light. I am a moral person now! Thanks for praying!
” Since he is without God, he can have no morals; therefore, he’d be perfectly happy to lie if it would make God look foolish, wouldn’t he?”
And once again, we see that Christian “love” just oozing out of every pore!
When will you get it through your thick skulls; We don’t “hate God”, because we don’t believe there is a “god/gods/God to hate, just as we don’t hate unicorns or leprechauns.
Oh, and by the way, that’s the only thing we have in common with other non-believers.
Believe it or not…
Trog, all morals come from God. An atheist therefore cannot have morals.
This has nothing to do with “love” or your “hating of God”. It has to do with the simple fact that morals come from God.
Here’s a great article on the subject for you. http://www.dailymorality.com/atheism.html
Here is the definition of morality
1. descriptively to refer to a code of conduct put forward by a society or, some other group, such as a religion, or
2. accepted by an individual for her own behavior or normatively to refer to a code of conduct that, given specified conditions, would be put forward by all rational persons.
Now christian can have there own morality, but they most frequently conform to the modern more secular morality. Your books morality includes acts of genocide, slavery, rape, murder, animal cruelty, and much more by today’s standards would be considered immoral. Now I know you think your morality is superior to an atheist and while i admit having someone to tell you what is right and wrong would be very very nice. I would argue that a moral atheist is in fact more likely than a moral christian… the reason i say this is that the places with the least crime and most peaceful interactions with other areas have a higher percentage of atheist than other religions.
So in conclusion please don’t tell me that the religion that is used to kill innocent children around the world in the only source of morality. Hey and if I’m wrong at least I will sleep well at night knowing that eve though I may not be accountable to a “god” for my actions I am accountable to myself.
Anthony
BTW that article was ridiculous.
I am an Atheist and I take great offense to that cheap comment you shot out right there.
I have morals; my wife is atheist and she also has morals; the majority of people I know of do not believe in the fairytale that is god and yet they have morals.
Now excuse me while I go finish up my babystew.
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Please pray for Bryan Bienias. I know you all want to focus on famous people, but this lowly creature could really use our help.
The bassist for the Cougars?
Why do I have the feeling you’re just trying to drive traffic for a band you like?
Hi Shirlee,
I’m an atheist through and I’m pretty sure that this is some sort of satire or stunt, but nevertheless I honestly want to help you come up with a miracle that, if it occurs, will be irrefutable proof that your god exists.
I think a miraculous display might be best, like god preventing the sun from setting for one night such as he did in joshua 10, but I understand how people can equate praying for a spectacle like that, to satan tempting jesus in matthew 4:1-11, and besides, he stopped doing those types of flashy miracles like a band that wants to forget they ever wrote their one hit song, so I doubt that a bunch of people requesting it will make him do it.
I also understand that you probably want to heal a public figure; someone reasonably well known to the average person.
First off, we should agree to exclude from our consideration anyone with an illness that although it rarely happens, can go away on its own, like cancer of leukemia.
Secondly, we should agree on what would constitute a miracle. If say, a person in a vegetative state with irreparable brain damage makes what appears to be deliberate actions, that’s not a miracle. A true miracle of course would be if the person permanently regained full consciousness without any cognitive problems, but I, and many others would accept at the very least, the subject being able to correctly answer 40 very simple yes/no questions by voice, squeezing, blinking, groaning, any sort of signal, given by an objective observer such as a doctor or nurse, with video evidence.
So, here are some of my ideas for possible candidates:
Professor Stephen Hawkings: Yes, he is an unbeliever, so he has that going against him, but he has an irreversible degenerative disease, and if cured he himself being an intelligent rational person would have to recognize the existence of an intercessory god. What better way for god to convert the scientifically minded than to heal one of their own? Proof of a miracle would be significant reversal of degeneration like renewed access of body functions, or being able to speak, not just a decrease in degeneration.
David Ring: He’s not exactly a celebrity but mister Ring is a christian preacher with cerebral palsy. If god would heal a very devout christian man of CP, it would surely convince many. Proof of miracle would be if his speech and motor skills improved to at least the average range.
Michael J Fox: He has been seen by many christians as an enemy of god for rallying for stem cell research, but if he was cured of Parkinson’s, he’d have to accept the belief that stem cell research is toying with the work of god. Proof of miracle would be a reversal in degeneration and occurrence of tremors.
Muhammad Ali: Healing a famous muslim might send out a message that allah is a false god, but others may get the idea that allah is indeed the same as god. it may help christian islam relations a great deal, or convert many muslims but either way, it would convince those who don’t believe in god whatsoever. Proof of miracle would be the same as for Michael J Fox.
There are many many other possibilities, and since god doesn’t perform many miracles in this day and age, I tried to think of things that were beyond reasoning, but weren’t as showy as causing amputees to regrow limbs, dead people to rise, or anything similar since it’s obvious that god decided to stop doing those things in the two thousand years since Jesus walked the earth, but this post is long enough, so for now, I’ll leave it at that.
These are some great ideas!!
pray that God moves my Yo! God God detector.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/grimmlock/3705528650/
nothing too difficult, right?
I think mine is broken.. its been stuck on ‘No’ since I first got it
Wait, wait, wait. You’re comparing witchcraft, hedonism and cults to… the “worship” of science? I like that, it’s funny
It’s funnier when someone complains about science while using a computer and the internet.
Give me a break guys, I’m doing my best here. Are you people never satisfied?
I’d like him to restore Stephen Hawking back to health, too. He’s well known, and I’m pretty sure he wouldn’t mind.
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I would like people to, instead of praying, clap for Tinkerbell. If we just clap hard enough we can bring her back to life!